Becoming part of the solution

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Tom Campbell discusses here the possibility of a consciousness shift in humanity as a whole. According to Campbell, there is a major shift in awareness coming, possibly within a couple of decades. He believes that physics will be the driver of this change, as it has become increasingly clear that virtual reality is the only explanation for many experiments.

As physicists begin to acknowledge that we live in a virtual reality, this paradigm shift will change everything. The idea that our reality is computed from somewhere else, which means there is a higher level of existence than us, will have a significant impact on humanity.

Campbell says that consciousness is the programmer, and we live in an evolved reality, not a programmed one. It is a natural system trying to survive, and we have to lower entropy to achieve that, which means promoting love, cooperation, and peace. Campbell is optimistic that humanity will eventually overcome religious and philosophical differences and work towards a common goal of advancing consciousness.

Interviewer

Do you see a consciousness shift coming in where maybe more people experience the reality that you’re experiencing, to be able to access these different states or anything along those lines right, we hear words about evolution or expanded consciousness. Do you see that coming down the pipe for humanity as a whole?

Tom Campbell

I do. I see some big changes coming in and what I would call the near future. Of course, when you’re talking about conscious evolution, that’s measured in millennia and centuries. But so when I say in the near term, though, I’m talking about as near as maybe a couple of decades, maybe within a couple of decades. Certainly within three or four or five decades, but I’m hoping within one or two, we’re going to have a major shift in awareness.

And I think what’s going to drive that shift in awareness, this will be surprising to you, I suspect, and the listeners is, Physics is going to be the driver. You see, and why is that? Well, I call the physicists the high priests of Western culture.

Physicists have now replaced the high priest. We had high priests a long time ago, and the high priest job is to tell everybody else what to believe. What’s true and what’s not true? Well, that’s what the scientists do today. Scientists tell us what to believe, what’s true and what’s not true. Scientists say, Oh, that’s bogus? Well, then that’s it. It’s bogus. And most everybody will believe that that’s bogus and so on. Scientists are now the new high priests. And this idea of virtual reality that I was talking about,
of virtual reality that was talking about. And I told you earlier that it does better physics. Well, that’s true. It does better physics so well and so much that physicists all over this planet are starting to see that virtual reality is the only thing that will answer the experiments. So anything that will explain the experiments. They’ve got more and more experiments going on and you just can’t explain them with a materialistic viewpoint. It doesn’t work. It’s a bad theory. You can explain them with a virtual reality viewpoint. You see understanding, I just what we went through, you know, consciousness is fundamental and so on. If you have that viewpoint, then you can understand these experiments. So physicists are picking up on that.

10 years ago, 15 years ago when I came out in my books, me and a handful of other people thought virtual reality was a good idea. Now there’s thousands of people, tens of thousands of people, most of them are physicists that think virtual reality is a good idea and it’s not because that’s a coming fad, it’s because nothing else works as well.

So here’s the kind of the paradigm shifts that are coming as I see it. When physics gets to the point that they say, we’re living in a virtual reality. And here’s all the experiments that show that that’s it. And that becomes a fact. You see, because physics tells us facts. When living in a virtual reality becomes a fact, then that will be like throwing a hang grenade under the, you know, in the tent.

That is going to change everything. One, they’re the high priests. So everybody will believe that. Secondly, even a three-year-old will have enough logic to say, Well, where’s the computer? Who’s the programmer? Where’s this virtual reality come from? You see, virtual reality has to be outside of the reality. So as soon as physicists say this is a virtual reality, just because their physics experiments tell them that everybody else is going to look at that and say, Well, wait a minute, who’s the programmer?
Where’s the computer?

They’ve just the physicists won’t actually, well, they do know it, but they’ll try to downplay that, but what they’re saying is that our reality is computed someplace else. There’s a higher level of existence than us. You see, now that’s a big deal coming from the mouth of the physicists. That changes everything. And when they change that, this idea about, well, who’s the programmer? Because they won’t think of this as a not-programmed reality and in voluntary values that are programmed, people will think of a programmer. Right away, you’re going to have a bunch of religious people jumping on board that boat, saying, My God’s the best programmer. No, my God’s the best programmer. You know, we’re going to get into, you know, that sort of thing. But if we have enough sense to get through that, And say, this isn’t about a programmer. This is consciousness, is the programmer.

Consciousness actually, this is an evolved reality, not a programmer. We’ve got a big digital bang, not a physical bang. We’ve got initial conditions of a small ball of plasma under high temperature and high pressure. And we hit the run button. It’s going to change according to the ruleset. It expands, you know, it cools, we get suns, you know, we plant, we’ve been through all that big bang theory, and that’s just the simulation. So when we see that, then we won’t, you know, we’ll realise that this is a, you know, this consciousness system isn’t a supernatural system, it’s just a natural system trying to survive, like all things do, and it has to do that by lowering entropy, which means love cooperation, peace, you know, that’s sort of thing. So if we get that picture and the high priest’s of science tell’s us that there is this other realm that we are a subset of, there is some superset in which the computer lives and in which our awareness exists. Well that’s a big step forward, suddenly, that’s going to blow the doors wide open. You see, we could devolve into a religious war again, you know, who’s God’s better programmer. That would be unfortunate. You know, that’s to get stuck in that nonsense, you know, it would be unfortunate. But hopefully we won’t. Hopefully we will be aware enough to realise that, yes, this is a bigger reality.

Yes, there’s been lots of people telling this that for a very long time. Now we can look back to the Budha into the, all the, descended master’s a lot of others been explaining this to us for, you know, the last 2,500 years.

And we can put two to two together and things will start to look like there’s a bigger picture. See, right now the picture is just as physical universe. That’s the whole picture. There’s no other picture. Well, once that becomes not true, because this is a virtual reality, virtual reality’s have to have a bigger picture.

They don’t compute themselves then you see it kind of blows the whole thing apart. Now it’s not a matter of religion versus science anymore. Science is saying, yeah, very clearly. We’re in a subset. There’s a superset that makes all this work. So that puts us in a whole different state. Different state altogether. And hopefully in a decade or so, we can kind of absorb all that.and figure out, well, what does this really mean to us? And hopefully, if there’s enough people on the planet that do see a bigger picture, we can kind of steer it to a more productive result rather than regressing into religious wars.

You see, I don’t think we’ll do that. I believe we’re maybe smart enough now that we won’t take that path, although there will be those who will try to push us to that path. And there will be those that will flock to that path, because that’s where belief takes you. That’s where fear takes you. But hopefully there’ll be enough that we won’t stay there long or we won’t go there at all. And when people understand the nature of a virtual reality and understand that consciousness is the computer, the next paradigm shift is well if consciousness is computer, then love is the answer. That’s what we’re here about. Once they understand what consciousness is, the fact that love is the answer is the next logical step after that. So I see that our technology and our science and our internet, all going to play a big role in this.

You see, we’ve had these little bubbles of enlightenment, let’s call them, for centuries, for millennia all over. But they’ve all been isolated. The Budha and his little group. Yeah, they started a big movement that’s still chugging along today with millions of adherents, but still it’s all isolated. They’re all isolated within their own areas geographically within their own languages. It’s not worldwide. It’s not collective. There’s bigger groups that say ah nonsense. Yeah, that’s a lot of belief boloni. You know, we don’t have to go there. What we need to do is make more money. You know, we have a lot of that going on. But when we have an internet now, all these little bubbles of enlightenment are starting to feed each other. So you talk to me, you talk to me about several of these things that you probably are aware of because there’s an internet. Otherwise you’d have to go down to a library someplace and look all the stuff up. Well that didn’t happen. The reason you know this is because there’s an internet.

You’re aware of these things. You’re aware of, you know, Krishnamurti you know, maybe know who that is, you know, you’re aware of the Sufis and you’re aware of, you know, it all starts to work together because we have an internet, we have this big awareness going on now. So it’s not gonna be so easy for the people to say, oh my God’s the better programmer, everybody follow me, you see, ’cause a lot of people are gonna have a bigger picture than that now.

So because we have the internet, because all these bubbles of enlightenment feed each other can co operately feed each other and when we have the high priest tell us in no uncertain terms that we’re a subset of something larger in that larger thing is non-physical well uh… stuff is going to happen see we’ve got all the right ingredients so for the first time ever in the history of humanity we have all the pieces together we’ve got the high priest telling us that there’s a higher thing Well, yes, but now it’s science. It’s not just a belief-based thing. Yeah, okay, but you got to believe what I believe if you’re gonna get on my train. Now, it’s not about believing anything. Believe is irrelevant. This is science. There’s this higher order existence. That’s a science, it’s not belief. Everybody can come to this party. You don’t have to believe anything or swear, or make a creed, donate money, you know, 10th of your income every year or anything. You just, it’s science. It’s there for everyone. And we’re all plugged in to all the bigger picture stuff that’s around for everybody to come to.

So, yes, I see that as being the first time in the history of mankind, have we had all the pieces together, we got it in, it wouldn’t work without the internet. Even if all the scientists said, yeah you know, we live in a virtual reality, and we’re just a subset if there was no internet. Well, 100 people would now. 10 years later, 200 people would now. Oh, yeah, they printed in their journals and things and whatever. And it would be, yeah, OK, they say that. But they probably don’t know what they’re talking about. Wouldn’t be what it can be because we’ve got an internet.

So we’ve got an internet that lets us communicate worldwide instantly. Wow, that’s a powerful tool. And we’re going to have science that has become the high that everybody believes because that’s just rational stuff. That’s not belief stuff. You can bet on that. That’s experiments back in that up, you see. So we’ve got all of that. Never happened before in the history of man that we had these things all together at the same time.

So yes, in another decade, this thing could do that. I have noticed that from like I said, decade and a half ago, me and three other people thought virtue I was a good idea now there’s tens of thousands of people who think it’s a good idea most of them are scientists, you see. That’s in a decade. No decade and a half that’s a lot you know it’s going up by you know 100,000 percent more people well. That’s pretty big so I’m thinking in another decade and a half from now we will already have gotten to the point where virtual reality is the answer.

Yes, we are a subset of something bigger in its non-physical and suddenly all the stuff that’s paranormal and the meditation and the out of body it all starts to make sense. You know, that’s what science does science takes things that used to be mystical and non-understandable and turns them into things that are normal and understandable. That’s what science has always done.

So why do we have four seasons? Well, that was mystical, because God gave us four seasons as why we have them. But now we find out it’s because with Earth has a axis on an angle and it goes around the sun and different parts of the Earth, are in the sunshine and in the shade at different times. So science makes things used to be mystical. Normal. That’s what it’s going to do with the paranormal. We’re going to understand how remote-removing works. Ah I’m just getting data out of database. Healing, Oh yeah, magnifying shoots up your probability and all the stuff will start to make sense once we get this bigger picture. And when that does you see we’re at a whole different probability space now right now. We collective consciousness have a very limited set of choices of where we can go because our beliefs and our fears limit us. When our beliefs get shattered by virtual reality and the new science then, you know, we’ll still have all those fears to deal with and that’ll be a little rough, but I think we have a chance in two three decades of turning this thing around to where people become aware of themselves as individuated units of consciousness that are here to grow up and become love.

That would make a huge difference. A really huge difference. So it wouldn’t be just you and I talking about this. It would be you and I and 800 million other people would be doing the same things that we’re doing. You see, and that will change everything. Then the other, you know, six billion will come along. They’ll come along for the ride. They’ll do whatever everybody else does. And suddenly, you know, they’ll be into it too. They’ll be thinking about it and doing it and taking responsibility. And that’ll just be the thing to do.

So that’s the way I see it coming. So yeah, I think on the horizon we’ve got all the elements together. First time ever. So it’s just when, when is it all going to happen? What’s going to be the thing that kicks it off and it all happens? But I think those physicists who come out with virtual reality are going to be what kicks it off because they’re in the position as the high priests to get everybody’s attention because we know science only speaks truth. We believe that. Science is our believers just like everybody else. They have a belief in materialism and it’s hard to get that, you know, cracks are in there, but it’s hard to tear that apart. That’s going to be the first big paradigm shift is to finally, you know, put to rest this belief in materialism.

But scientists will tell you materialism doesn’t work. I mean most of them still will claim their materialists, but they see it coming apart and it doesn’t work and it frightens them some, that’s why they’re dragging their feet. But they can’t hold it back. You see, that’s the thing about truth. Eventually it rises to the top.